1. daveprince13

    I get what you mean. I’m at 4mg and wondering if I can safely go off cold turkey and how long the WD’s will last. I’m thinking I’ll be out a week of crap and another week of not feeling great but the reason I’m wanting to do it is because a.) I’m ready. b.) I’m in a good support group and c.) I’ve got outside influences motivating me off the drug.
    When you said it’s easy to go to 4mgs and then hard to go down from there, it makes me think I’d just rather jump and get it over with. It’s just that the doctor I’m seeing isn’t nearly as smart as you. I asked him “If I go cold turkey (I was at 8mgs) how long will the WD’s last.” He tells me “2 days, 3 max.” He even asked me if I knew anyone that he could treat with Subox because he didn’t want his open slots to go to waste. Anyway, I’m ranting. The point is, I know that you’ve been through it and know that you have a great sense of what it is that you’re talking about Jeffrey. That’s why your blog is so helpful. I bet half the people on here are seeing doctors that don’t know what they are talking about but it’s nice to hear some advice from one that’s actually felt our pain. Thank you.

  2. johnpal716

    I’m John P, a recovering addict in Buffalo, NY. I am thrilled to have stumbled on your site. I was originally looking for some wisdom as to what to do about having to stretch a significantly less than sufficient amount of 8 mg tablets out till my next doctor’s appointment but after reading your notes on maximum absorption in the mouth and just being generally made to feel at ease, coupled with some common sense, I can see i’m just going to have to tough it out and that it probably won’t be as bad as my expectations.
    I had a pretty severe opiate habit that cost me my partner, career, life in NYC, and almost my life when I moved home and decided to get clean. I went through a week of neverending hard withdrawals ONE LAST TIME and then went on Suboxone. A few days into withdrawal I began attending 12-step meetings (I got my yellow nine month tag last week) at the suggestion of my father, as he saw my grandpa get sober through AA. I have encountered a lot of static in the rooms for being on suboxone and quickly decided to keep it between me, my sponsor, and a few other trusted people. While I have come to believe that it is certainly the Suboxone that gave me the luxury of feeling physically better so soon (even after horrible physical withdrawal complete with the bizarre hallucinations and other goodies I never want to feel again) it is definitely definitely meetings and the steps and the whole program that is working in my life and the true solution.
    I see so many people come into meetings (or before, outpatient counseling) with a false sense of “CURE” fresh on Suboxone, talking about getting jobs, mates, money, a car, etc, with no interest in examining where the real problem is (“drugs are just a symptom”) go back out and use and never return. They are either using, dead, or “cured”, god bless em. I applaud your mentioning of 12-stepping on your site, because strangely enough, on all of those “HELP I RAN OUT OF HYDROS” messageboards I keep running into in the search for knowledge, I haven’t seen a single mention of meetings or steps, probably the reason for all the negativity on there.
    Anyway, that’s all I have. Just wanted to share my thoughts, and thank you for instilling some optimism in this formerly hopeless dope fiend.
    Thanks for letting me share,
    John P.
    [email protected]

  3. Thanks for your comments. We learn more about using Suboxone as time goes by; I have to be careful myself, as I am well aware of the ‘cures’ that have come and gone over the years— in contrast to the 80 years of success and growth by the 12 step groups around the world. My life was saved twice– both times by the steps. I encourage, but do not require, 12 step attendance by my Suboxone patients; I feel that forced attendance is a waste of time– although sometimes I wonder if even forced attendance would result in SOME wisdom rubbing off on the person! You might notice that I tend to mention recovery programs more than I used to… I have been getting back to the ‘roots’ of recovery more and more in my discussions with patients, realizing that blocking cravings alone will rarely result in longstanding sobriety. Congratulations on your newest chip, and I hope you accumulate many more. Keep spreading the wisdom– I have come across the same nonsense out there that you are describing.

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